Narcissistic Charm Can Easily Blindside

Narcissistic Charm

What is narcissistic charm?  It’s the all the attention, flattery and interest a narcissist might show you at the outset of a relationship. Now, there’s nothing inherently bad about a person displaying these behaviors. It’s often simply a part of the wooing process. But as I’ve written before, a person’s interest doesn’t necessarily mean they have genuine regard for you. That’s why these days you have to be particularly wary of charmers. And it’s all too easy to mistake someone’s interest in you for regard. (See: Abuse Victims Mistake Interest for Regard.)

Narcissists don’t need others in the healthy way most of us do. But that doesn’t mean they don’t have desires of others. So, when they see something in you they like or want to possess it (or you), they can really turn on the charm. They’ll put on their most appealing face. And they’ll do their best to make you feel special, too. But that’s when you have to be the most careful. It’s too easy to get swept off your feet and still have no idea who they really are. Moreover, you can be made to feel ever so special to them without ever really knowing what designs they actually have on you.

Relationships Born of Narcissistic Charm

Narcissistic charm often plays a key role in relationships that turn out to be abusive and exploitative. Such relationships follow a typical course:

  • Someone shows tremendous interest in you.
  • They do everything they can to make you feel special.
  • They tell you everything they you’ve ever wanted to hear.
  • Only slowly do they reveal how grateful and admiring of them they expect you to be.
  • And even more slowly than that do they reveal how disregarding of you they can be if you don’t meet their expectations.
  • In time it becomes clear that while they once might have had some use for you and did all they could to win you over, they never really had any positive regard (i.e. genuine love) for you (especially the person you are at the core).
  • You finally realize how badly they have used and abused you. But you’ve invested years and mounds of time, energy, and often, money. So, it’s hard to walk away.

(See again the “Slot Machine Syndrome” discourse in In Sheep’s Clothing.)

An Even Subtler Charm

Narcissists can deliberately charm as a way of seducing you. But you can also allow yourself to be seduced in subtler ways, too. The quiet confidence some narcissists exude can be almost intoxicating. That’s especially true for those struggling with insecurity of some sort. Such insecurity can breed emotional neediness. And it can be overwhelmingly flattering when someone you think has is all together (based on their projection of that confident image) has taken a big interest in you. But once again, this is inherently problematic because interest alone does not equal regard.

The Answer

So what’s the answer to this dilemma? How do you avoid succumbing to narcissistic charm? The answer lies in two things: knowing your worth, and knowing where it truly comes from. Those most vulnerable to narcissistic charm simply don’t know their true value. And that prompts them tend to seek external validation. Looking outward for validation makes anyone vulnerable. It’s also a gateway to emotional dependency.

External approval seekers are the opposite of narcissists. Narcissists are pathological in their excessive and unfounded sense of their worth. They may solicit your attention and admiration. Such things pad their already inflated ego. But they don’t require your approval. They already think they’re great. And in the more pathological cases, they just know they’re great. Contrarily, those they target for relationships are often plagued by self-doubt. So it’s easy for them to get bowled over by the attention and interest the charming narcissist might show.

In the coming weeks I’ll have more to say on healthy self-worth.

25 thoughts on “Narcissistic Charm Can Easily Blindside

  1. My husband was an external approval seeker , constantly looking for validation . This seemed to be at the root of his “sex addiction” . In fact, very often he would rather be praised for pleasuring an acting out partner than receive any pleasure himself. He sought validation compulsively along side acting out sexually.
    Do I misunderstand the distinction you are making Dr. Simon in regard to external approval seekers versus narcaciisst? We were both told he is a narcacist . Maybe someone can reply to help me clarify my understanding of the point Dr. Simon is making.

    1. Peggy,

      I don’t believe sex addiction exists for probably 99 percent of the men who claim to be mere victims of a sex addiction. Your husband is 99% likely to be up to his eyes deep in porn. Long term porn users are most often the so-called sex addicts. They’re perverts more than anything.

      As to men who SEEM to be more interested in pleasuring a partner than receiving any pleasure, most often those ‘sex addict’ guys are trying to prove what studs they are, and it’s about them and their vanity and ego as a supposedly superior lover, rather than actual interest in a partner, and that partner’s pleasure.

      Ever heard guys brag about how long they can last in bed? It’s not about actually pleasing the woman, but rather it’s a contest among men as to how ‘manly’ they are. Again, it’s about the man’s ego. How good and talented of a lover he is. His ego is the focus, not you.

      It’s a competition in his own head. stroking his ego. nothing much to do with you at all.

      1. This . Absolutely this . My ex was a habitual porn user and was a “ pleaser” in bed . However , he seemed to get very little physical enjoyment out of the act . What he did like was thinking he was the best lover , most endowed , most skilled etc …..

        I believe the term sex addict is an excuse for people to cheat . If it’s not on the DSM , I’m not buying into it .
        As soon as I realized the ex was a covert narcissist and a somatic one at that , I filed for divorce .
        It’s been almost 3 years and the thought of even going on a date with a man causes me horrible anxiety .

        1. Isabelle,

          The thought of any woman (or girl), going on a date with a man (or boy) should be terribly anxiety-provoking. Men are predators. Men are rapists. Men are manipulative, selfish, predatory, sexist, porn-using, misogynists.

          Maybe 1 to 5 percent of the male population is not predatory, rapey, vile, violent, abuser misogynists, but that’s about it. Of that 1 to 5 percent, almost every last one is married (and are the type to stay married for life).

          There is something like nearly 30,000 users purchasing porn per second to the tune of $3,000 per second being spent on porn. Every second.

          Any man who claims to not be a porn user, he is lying. 99 percent chance he is lying. Of those who use porn, even if they quit, their deviancy remains, as the operant conditioning of masturbating to orgasm watching some filmed debasement, defilement, gang rape, degradation of women tends to do that.

          Robert Jensen talks about how despite having not viewed porn in ‘x’ amount of time, when he is asked when the last time it was he saw porn, I believe he replies “yesterday”. Because those vile, horrific, raping, defiling, degrading, woman-hating, violent, perverted porn images/videos are burned into a man’s memory, so at any time, he can recall the filmed deviancy, the filmed gang rape of some poor, prostituted, raped, beaten, humiliated, debased, degraded woman.

          Girls today shouldn’t date. Not with internet porn infecting that generation. And boys and men are no innocent victims. The violence and rape turns them on and gets them off. Watching some poor woman be spit on, beaten, debased, abused, and bloodied ought to cause them to weep and/or sit there in horror, but nope, the men and boys consume it with great pleasure and excitement and proceed to orgasm to such depravity.

          Don’t believe the lying males. If they are men, they are using porn. And if by chance you encounter a man who doesn’t use porn, it is most likely he is devoutly religious, and married for life. I was most fortunate to grow up in a household like that, but most other households have nasty, disgusting, vile, deviant fathers handing off porn to the deviant son, and that was before internet porn made it accessible and free, 24/7. One web-search away is all it takes now.

          Your internal sensors are correct, Isabelle. Your anxiety is well-founded. Pay attention to your nstincts, they are telling you the truth. Ignoring unease and anxiety is your perpetual peril. Same with every last other woman or girl out there.

          Maybe it’s not a fun truth, but truth it is. No woman should be allowing her daughter to date in this age, given the super-predators created by internet porn.

          1. I don’t know if you have had a lot of terrible experiences, or if you’re projecting or a lesbian or what, but your comment is full of hatred, spite, venom and bullshit!! I thought that when I thought I’d read 1 in 5, until I realized you said 1 TO 5 PERCENT of men are not “manipulative, selfish, predatory, sexist, porn-using, misogynists”….”predatory, rapey, vile, violent, abuser misogynists”.

            You need your head checked, clearly…you are not living in the same world as the rest of us. I feel sorry for you!

          2. Look at the stats. How big is the porn industry? What percentage of men use porn? What is porn? Porn is debasement of women for men’s sadistic entertainment and sicko sexual gratification. It’s masturbatory aids. You think the massive amounts of men regularly getting off on videos of prostituted women being choked, spit on, degraded, hit, etc. is …. what? Love of women? Hardly. It’s the opposite and men know it. Men hate women. It shows in their porn usage, their porn tastes, their day to day lives, the violence they subject women to, the rape culture they perpetuate, the harassment, stalking, abusing, and harming of women.

            Certainly you are not one of those sex-pozzie, porn for all, being dehumanized and objectified is so empowering, men need their porn, liberals, no?

            I suspect you are male. If not, then I shall say it is indeed because of experiences. You can live in delusion but the facts are the facts. If women were respected and men didn’t hate women and get off on harming them, the porn industry wouldn’t be the size it is and utilized by probably 90 to 95 percent of men.

            Lesbian? No. Needing to get my head checked? No. Terrible experiences? Absolutely. Most women have. Perhaps you are the one living in an alternate, deluded, illusory world. Perhaps due to your luck and/or privilege you have not had many negative experiences with men. That doesn’t mean your limited experiences reflect the truth about most men inhabiting the world today.

          3. I’d like to add something here. And feel free to re-post my comments.

            I’ve heard many rationalizations about the supposed “harmlessness” of porn. But porn is not only abhorrent for the reasons you mention but also because it’s a major reason why folks stay in the adolescent stage of pure self-gratification (and seeing others as objects for that gratification) and never reach the mature stage of truly intimate, loving engagement with another human being. Mounds of experience has taught me that such intimate, loving engagement brings both emotional and sexual gratification of immensely better quality than anything that can be had with porn-watching and masturbation. And if there’s anything that describes the pitiful state of so many relationships these days it’s the lack of genuine, loving intimacy.

          4. I am NOT a man, I have been raped, choked unconscious &my brother is one of those gross pig types, but no I do not believe 95% of men are like that, at all. I know they aren’t. Its a ridiculous claim to make. Men don’t hate women – men raised by psychotic delusional man hating women, might…but a man raised by a healthy woman would love women. So – not sure where you live or where you hang out, but a bar or nightclub is definitely a great place to meet abusive types. Likewise, the gym. Narcs galore in there!

          5. I don’t disagree with you about porn, however, something is off with your screed – you sound like a far left liberal, while accusing liberals of being defensive of the porn industry and me of being a liberal. I am actually very centrist. I don’t like the far end of either spectrum and no matter how you try to argue it, to insist ALL men are rapist, misogynist porn consuming pigs, is a very liberal mindset.

          6. Let’s stop blaming mothers, shall we? Sue says a man might hate women if raised by “psychotic, delusional man hating women” which implies she thinks that is me and my mothering style. Silly. And my, my, it’s up to women and their mothering styles to either produce men who hate women or men who love women? How ridiculous.

            Generally speaking, the single most influential person in a child’s life is the same sex parent. Fathers, more often than not, teach their sons to objectify women. Fathers, more often than not, teach their sons to believe they are superior, that women are inferior, sub-human, and but objects to commodify, use, abuse, and exploit at will. Fathers, more often than not, teach their sons misogyny and sexism.

            Fathers’ influence (not mothers, as sexist society believes, blaming women being the favorite past-time of so many) is easily seen in homes with domestic violence. Father beats mom. Boy watches it growing up. Boy emulates father, sees father as acting how a man should act and thus emulates it. Boy grew up in woman-hating, wife-beating environment and thus believes it to be normal to harm women, abuse one’s girlfriend, beat one’s wife. Boy believes he is superior, that women are inferior and are but objects, play things, servants, slaves, doormats, whipping [girls], and punching bags.

            But Sue would have us believe in the sexist mother-myth. Supposedly it all comes down to a mother’s parenting. Not so. Plus our world is plenty misogynistic and sexism is so rampant its like fish asking about water, we live and are surrounded by and immersed in sexism and misogyny. Even if the father is absent, the boy gets introduced to misogyny from the world around him.

            Sue also claims that she is centrist, as though such is the reasonable position to take. But middle of the road types are okay with the status quo and don’t see anything needing changing. Too moderate. Too okay with how things are. I see a lot of things needing to change.

            I am not a liberal. Men on the Left hate women just like men on the Right hate women. And I also never said ALL men. I argued very clearly that there are rare exceptions.

            I suspect Dr. Simon doesn’t beat his wife. There you go, Sue, not all men! I found an exception for you.

            As for the porn, I want you all to realize that this is not simply some old Playboys from the 60s (as deplorable as they were). Nope. Porn today is even more horrific. And it’s helping to create little super predators. The porn of today is more sadistic, violent, and debased than ever before and the latest generations are consuming it in greater levels (thanks to free internet porn all the pervs have instant access) and greater amounts, and starting earlier.

            As to the thought that it’s just from hanging out in bars or nightclubs, not so. We have misogynists on the Supreme Court bench. We have a misogynist as President. We have lots and lots of white collar, polished misogynists all over the place.

            Just saw this:
            “Seven out of ten men under the age of 40 have used violence on their partner during consensual sex, according to a BBC investigation.” [you cannot consent to violence, thus the minute violence was used, the supposed consent is null and void]

            “The survey of 2,049 men aged 18 to 39 was carried out last month as part of an investigation by BBC Scotland’s Disclosure and Radio 5 Live into the apparent increase in “rough sex”.

            About 71 per cent of the men said they had SLAPPED, CHOKED, GAGGED, or SPAT ON their partner during consensual sex.” [I added the capitalization]

            So 7 of 10 men admitted it. Assume another 2 of 10 do it but refuse to admit it on a recorded survey. That leaves 1 of 10 who isn’t spitting on, slapping, or choking, or gagged a woman during ‘sex’.

            About how old are you, Sue? Are you a mother of sons? Married? Tempted to protest loudly “not my Nigel” (or “not my sons”)?

            About 20 years ago, there was a survey done on college men, where they asked the men if they knew they could get away with rape, would they do it? Over a third of the men readily admitted they’d go around raping (yes, the word RAPE was used) women if they knew they’d not go to prison. Rapists are common. And if you take away the word rape, but describe rape, you get even more positive results. Men readily admit to forcing women to have sex with them in a myriad of ways. Men readily admit coercing, tricking, and pressuring women into unwanted sex. Those things are considered normal and acceptable to men. However, the minute you insert the word RAPE into the equation, then it drops down some. But still, a third. And that was at least 20 years ago, if not 30 or 40.

            Most women live in denial of how much men hate them. I understand why. It’s very scary, disturbing, disheartening, and depressing to live fully in the knowledge of just how many men hate women. Why? Because they do not see women as human, not because they were raised by a certain mother (again, there’s sexism, when a guy blames his hatred of women on his mother? Or when a serial rapist’s mother is faulted and presumed to have caused it by her style of mothering — what does that indicate — toxic levels of sexism and misogyny, and yet nobody says, who was the father? what did the father teach and parent into his son to make him such a predator? such questions are never asked).

            Even with Dr. Simon’s assertion about it being about immaturity. Such is wrong, too. This isn’t about masturbation and immediate gratification. A profile picture of some cute heartthrob could be sufficient for fantasies for most girls. What do boys get off on? Vile, dehumanizing, violent, sadistic, horrific porn. What’s in the porn? Is it simple nudity? Nope. It’s women being gagged, spit on, choked, made to vomit, men speaking of being so violent in their penetration of the woman that they will leave the woman’s anus torn, bleeding, and the woman in need of wearing diapers from then on.

            What about the ever-popular ATM (ass-to-mouth)? That’s about humiliation. That’s about debasement. That’s about subjugation.

            This is not about some boy or man thinking about the particular smile, curves, and pleasant sounding voice of some attractive woman they have a crush on and having a fantasy of her falling in love with them and them being sexual. No.

            This is not about instant gratification or immaturity.

            This is about misogyny. This is about male supremacy. Porn isn’t mere nudity or sex scenes. It’s about degradation and SUBGUGATION. The woman is harmed. The woman is subjected to triple penetration. The woman is beaten. The woman is degraded, abused, humiliated, and treated worse than an animal. The woman is made to suffer and then to say she likes it and she wants more of it and to beg for more. The defilement gets them off.

            There are entire sites devoted to facial abuse. What is facial abuse? Women are made up with extra mascara and then some guy violently chokes her and gags her in jamming his ‘unit’ so far into her mouth, and abuses her mouth/throat and all the crying with the extra mascara, the captured fear, distress, crying, hurt, pain, discomfort, eventual vomiting. The brutal violence, depravity, and sadism of the man is glorified. Her pain and suffering is exciting and arousing to men. That’s what is getting men and boys off. That’s what excites them and that is the material by which they climax.

            It is not mere masturbation or immaturity or instant gratification. It’s about hatred. It’s about violence. It’s about male supremacy and male domination. It’s about graphically subjugating, humiliating, harming, abusing, violating, and beating a woman for the entertainment and sexual gratification of men and boys.

            Porn is the ‘art’. Rape is the practice. Misogyny, misogyny, misogyny.

            How many 60 year old women remember when spy cams, revenge porn, slapping, choking, spitting on, and gagging women was run of the mill stuff back in their curious years in high school and experimental 20s? None? Of course not. And yet it’s run of the mill stuff now.

            Either way, there is no equivalent. And I’m not sure why people fight so hard against recognizing misogyny. Is it because we are all so used to it we don’t notice it anymore? Is it because it’s to painful to be aware of the truth? Is it in hopes of not ‘offending’ any men? If they hate women and like seeing women abused, violated, degraded, subjugated, trafficked, and humiliated and such gives them a boner, then let them be offended.

            And men aren’t victims. It seems as though Dr. Simon sees men as poor victims who didn’t grow up. Not so. Ever argued against a man’s porn? Ever tried to get a man to stop consuming porn? They will not give up the porn. Not for anything. And most of them are either married or have a girlfriend. So they aren’t starved of the opportunity to have intimacy in their lives. Not in the least bit. They refuse. To be intimate means to see women as human beings, worthy of care, concern, regard, and respect. To be intimate means they’d have to care about mutuality. They want nothing of the sort. Most men truly believe themselves to be superior and women to be but sub-human inferiors. Objects. Sex objects. Commodities (holes, as they reduce women to being, f-holes –and worse terms– for half the population).

            The more contact you have with men, the more you understand just how many men hate women and how much their identity is built on misogyny. And want objective facts/stats? Just look at the porn consumption stats. At least 90 percent of the male population uses porn! Women should realize this. How many men want to be and aspire to be pick-up artists? How many men love being rapists and have the support of their peers? So, so many.

            Women can’t even be online and participate as men do since the misogyny and violence of men drives them out. They are doxed, rape threats, murder threats, stalking, intimidation, having predatory, intimidating men suddenly showing up at their doors. All sorts of things. Women politicians receive so much more hate, a journalist interviewed the security staff for women politicians in Europe, I think it was U.K., but not entirely sure, and they talked about the sheer volume, as well as the violence, the graphic threats, the misogyny involved, and how women politicians spent a great time dealing with the effects of such harassment, intimidation, threats, hatred, and it affected their job performance. This happens in all sorts of industries. Sexual harassment – how many women do you know that have never been sexually harassed? Not many, if any.

            Since you have been a victim yourself, I don’t see why you argue so hard against my assertions. Perhaps you grew up with it. Your brother didn’t become the way he is from nowhere. Perhaps you don’t realize how indoctrinated you are. Why battle for men? What’s it to you? I suspect you are a mother of sons. Mothers of sons are even louder than wives who do the “not my Nigel” arguments. Mothers of sons are particularly biased and very much invested in the “not my nigel, jr.” stance.

            It’s a heartbreaking thing for so many women. To be pregnant, give birth to, and raise up a son who comes to see her as the ‘other’ and is a little misogynist running around in the world making other women’s lives miserable. So many women experience it. But they deny it. They don’t want to see the reality that their flesh-and-blood is part of the problem. Perhaps they see their son’s misogyny and sexism as a failure on their part so they guard against said failure by denying it. But it’s not so much a failure, as fathers are more influential, as well as this woman-hating world. A mother’s influence is very limited when it comes to sons, generally speaking, of course.

          7. This being the internet I wonder if PIVAW is a plant. “She” wouldn’t be the first time some anti-feminist commenter posed as a crazy feminist.

          8. A man comes along and with two vague lines, tries to discredit a woman’s lengthy and factual post.

            Doesn’t refute anything but rather smears her with the usual insult and attack that men use on women — calls her crazy.

            Her points are excellent. I believe she may have erred and meant to type “men” instead of “women” on her sentence about sexual harassment.

            And porn is violence against women. It’s evil. It’s trafficking. It’s debasement. It’s paid rape. It’s dehumanizing. It’s misogyny.

    2. Peggy, you might want to read some of the articles on the different kinds of narcissists. I think that will help answer your questions. Also, remember, using others and manipulating others into padding your already bent-out-of-shape ego is not the same as being dependent upon external sources of validation. Still, there’s some common ground in all character disturbances about not knowing one’s true worth, and, more especially, from where that worth derives.


    3. Even though a person with Narcissistic Personality disorder may APPEAR to be confident and grandiose, clinicians believe that it is a mask, a false self that they construct, to hide the fact that deep down, they feel very unworthy. In fact, they have a very fragile self esteem that constantly needs admiration and attention to sustain itself.

      1. I feel I must elaborate, here, because so many clinicians still insist there is only one major type of narcissism, that being a “compensatory, vulnerable” type where a “mask” conceals a fragile inner reality and an unmet “need.” The research is clear, as is the experience of the clinicians who’ve bothered to set aside bias: namely, that there is another, more prevalent type of narcissism where there is no mask. What you see is what you get, whether justly founded or not. And “underneath,” instead of fragility, vulnerability and unmet need, there is heartlessness born of an incapacity for empathy. In today’w world it’s both dangerous and countertherapeutic to continue to promote the idea that all narcissism is of the compensatory variety. Enough said.

      2. HSM
        If you’ve ever dealt with in a significant way with the narc, you’d know that everything you have stated here is false.

  2. Thank you for replying . I think you are writing his “sex addiction” is not about me ? Yes, of course not. I too am unsure if in fact there is such an addiction. I just got a bit mixed up there regarding diagnosing narcissism in persons who are compulsively seeking external validation . And that he did .
    Kind of you to reply!

  3. Thank you Dr Simon . Your reply is helpful ! I understand the distinction you are making and the last point.
    All the best to you.

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  5. I think as I consider a question I asked my NM (narcissistic mother) once, which was “What makes you happy?”, her answer was all the more telling, buying me stuff (at 45) was her answer. And much as I would have liked to say that it was because she wants to do something nice for me, I don’t see it now. Because it depends on what she does with the gift-what does doing that do for her? A narcissist will do one thing in my case: throw it back up in my face. Or will use it to manipulate me. Don’t accept a gift from a narc, it rarely, if ever will be just that.

    Many times, I have had my NM tell me what I wanted to hear, things any child or human being wants to hear from other human beings, and any child wants to hear from their parents. But it will undoubtedly be interspersed with some very hateful messages which will just as quickly, disappear to be again replaced by what can only be described as hateful.

    Certainly, the most destructive thing I have ever done was to go to my mother for approval. Joyce Meyer calls it approval addiction. Which in my view is a good descriptor. Learn to find approval from within. It is easier said than done and I am only now just learning. I am still as I began posting here a couple years ago, unlearning a lot of years of bad habits. I look to God for the approval I need. And if I must have approval from someone in human form, I do not go looking for it from a narcissist.

  6. JC,

    Nice to hear from you JC and hope all is well with you. I have found the CDN give gifts they prefer to give, something they like, not what we would like. Like you said, there are often hidden strings attached and it is best not to accept anything from a narcissist.

    It is normal human need and desire to want acceptance and approval from those who would normally love us. Again, when coming from a narc it is best to get that approval from ourselves, God and others.


  7. Has anyone started to see the commonality and pattern repetition is all these messed up dynamics?

    Batterers and their victimized wives
    Pimps and their stable
    Narcs and their victims
    Psychopaths and their prey
    Cults and their indoctrinated ‘believers’

    All such victims are more accurately described as captives. The indoctrination, coercive control, brainwashing, terror, threats, etc. all serve to keep the victims in a state of perpetual control. Victims are captives.

    I’m not so sure that narcs are distinctly different. Who cares if its a narc, a psychopath, someone with the antisocial personality disorder slapped on them, or whatever other labels the medical industry has created? Does it matter? No. I’d argue that it does not.

    A pedophile operates toward his prey the same that a wife-beater operates toward his targeted wife. The seasoning that a pimp does to turn out a new victim (prostituted women are victims and slaves and captives) is the same that a wife-beater does to his terrorized wife. Same thing with cult leaders, like Warren Jeffs.

    It’s the same thing. It’s all the same. There are patterned dynamics that happen in each setup. It’s predation. All of it is predation.

    Has anyone else seen this, too? I wonder if people don’t want to busy themselves with making careers out of this or that purportedly particular pathology, when it’s really all the same. It really is. It’s predation. It’s criminal. It’s abuse. It’s coercive control. It’s domestic terrorism. It’s really the same core across the board.

    I don’t see the reason for making distinctions. In short, it’s evil, wicked people preying on targeted victims. May they go to hell, sooner than later. Nothing else will stop them from continuing to victimize. No need to understand or study them further. They all use the same setups, the same coercive control, the same brainwashing and indoctrination, the same inculcation of control, the same underlying terrorizing of the victims (be it overt threats, or a sensed, implicit, dangerousness of any resistence, dissent, or disobediance).

    It’s really one and of the same. The only chance victims have is if they have others helping them or resources available to them, and even then, it’s really a matter of luck — did they luck out and get the predator who won’t stalk and eventually murder them for daring to escape or not? Some predators become preoccupied with other victims. Some predators end up in jail, and their flying monkeys desert them so they can’t run things from their cell. Some predators, thankfully, die and hopefully have no surviving family or friends to continue their predation in proxy. And some aren’t that talented, resourceful, well-educated, etc. so as to be able to cleverly skirt the law, remain out of jail, or otherwise instill so much fear, damage, or discrediting and ruination on their victims they need not worry about law enforcement intervening.

    The world is an evil place. The powerful (especially the illegitimately powerful) prey with impunity on the powerless. The dynamics of the evil predators are basically one and of the same. Pimps act like narcs. Narcs act like wife-beaters. Wife-beaters act like pedophiles. They are all the same. I see no need to give them any disctinctiveness, no need whatsoever. The universal dynamics of predation. That’s what it is.

    Hope you victims out there know how lovely you all are and that you didn’t deserve it. Nothing draws predators quicker than vulnerability and being a decent, kind, loving, caring person in this wretched world is an incredible vulnerability to have.

    And in case anyone is feeling stupid for having been victimized, even Dr. Hare, who created the now standard psychopathy test, talked about how he’d been taken in by psychopaths and he studies them for a living and “should know better” but alas, the devil’s children have their evil father’s knack for deception, etc. So, in short, even Dr. Hare, whose bread and butter throughout his career has been devoted to studying psychopaths, has been taken in by them, too.

    Another researcher, I forget the name, was commenting on how incredible the finesse possessed by these predators is, and how, he’d know he was about to interact with a diagnosed psychopath, a convicted criminal, a hardened predator, and yet he’d even get taken in by some of them. And he conducted his research in prison, so his subjects were in handcuffs, and yet there’s an incredible finesse some of them possess.

    Anyhow, a predator is a predator, is a predator. Doesn’t matter which label is given to your particular abuser, doesn’t matter at all. General society might believe there is an importance in distinguishing one over the other, but that’s because of so much misinformation and disinformation.

    What, in the end, do we have? Evildoers. That’s it.

    I wish general society would grasp such better, perhaps then, there’d be less scrutiny, judgment, and condemnation of victims. Perhaps the sympathy wouldn’t be perversely placed on the poor, poor, misguided criminal, but rather on his victimized prey. Perhaps general society would care about battered women more, and see how asking asinine questions like, ‘why doesn’t she just leave?’ isn’t appropriate whatsoever. Cults. Pimps’ stranglehold of their prostitued out stable. Or run-of-the-mill, all-too-common wife-beaters and their captives (victimized wives).

    1. Well stated and I agree completely. Their tactics are frighteningly similar and they adjust them as the situation or the victim adjusts. The only comfort I find in this is that now that I am aware, they are easier to spot and stay away from. Thank you for the reminder that we are not stupid for being fooled, they are very skilled. It’s easier to spot them now and protect myself, but it’s not a sure thing. They prey on vulnerability, they are predators and opportunists.

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